the probable origin of ‘one over the eight’ (‘one drink too many’)



I suppose it wasn’t often that the boys of Market Snodsbury Grammar School came across a man public-spirited enough to call their head master a silly ass, and they showed their appreciation in no uncertain manner. Gussie may have been one over the eight, but as far as the majority of those present were concerned he was sitting on top of the world.

from Right Ho, Jeeves (1934)
by the English author Pelham Grenville Wodehouse (1881-1975)





(British, informal) one over the eight: one drink too many




The earliest instance that I have found is from The Surrey Mirror and County Post (Reigate, Surrey) of Friday 15th August 1919:

ONE OVER THE EIGHT.”—At the Reigate Bench, on Monday, Frederick Powell, of Providence-terrace, London-road, Reigate, was charged with being drunk and disorderly on Saturday night.—P.C. Kimber proved the case.—Prisoner told the Court that he met an old uncle and had one or two drinks. He added “I suppose I got one over the eight, and I suppose I became a little quarrelsome.”—Fined 5s.

The question of the origin of the phrase was raised very early; for example, the following is from The Sussex Express and South Eastern Advertiser (Lewes, Sussex) of Friday 9th June 1922:


A very amusing case came before the magistrates at the Lewes Police Court on Tuesday when a man named Thomas Richard Colley, of 39, Stonecross-lane, Newhaven, was summoned on a charge of being drunk and incapable.
– P. C. Barrow said he found the defendant lying in the street in a helpless state. He found he was drunk. Defendant said to him “I have had one over the eight; will you look after me and see me all right?” (Laughter.)
– The Mayor (Alderman C. Patrick)—What is the meaning of the term? Has it any special meaning?
– Witness—It is a great saying this last few years.
– The Chairman (Mr. F. B. Whitfeld)—Does the man mean one over eight pints?
– Witness—It is just a saying.
– The Mayor—It does not mean that that is his limit?
– Witness—I do not know. (Laughter.)
– Defendant—I cannot remember anything about it. It seems to be a bit stronger ale here than in London. (Laughter.)
– The Chairman (smiling)—The case is dismissed.

The Evening Telegraph and Post (Dundee, Scotland) of Thursday 22nd November 1923 proposed the following origin:

Judge Crawford, of Edmonton County Court, who was mystified by the colloquialism, “one over the eight”—which means that a man has had too many drinks—and endeavoured to discover its origin, will be interested to know that Mr Charles Austin, the comedian, claims to be the inventor of the phrase.
Charles Austin put the words into the mouth of Lorna Pounds when they were appearing in “Rockets” at the Palladium, London, last year.

But this explanation cannot be true, since the phrase was in use before 1922.

On Tuesday 20th October 1925, the same Dundee newspaper explained that the origin of the expression

has been debated many times recently, and many theories have been advanced—none of them very convincing and none of them generally accepted.

The traditional explanation of the expression rests solely on the following from Soldier and Sailor Words and Phrases (London, 1925), by Edward Fraser and John Gibbons:

One over the eight, one drink too many. Slightly intoxicated, the presumption being that an average “moderate” man can safely drink eight glasses of beer.

But this origin is improbable, because the phrase did not appear in military or naval contexts (it is more likely that soldiers and sailors adopted an existing expression), and because the reference to eight glasses of beer looks like a later rationalisation.

It is probable that there is no logical explanation, that the number eight is arbitrary and that the expression is simply a euphemism for having too much to drink, regardless of the actual number of drinks that have been consumed.


two punning uses of the phrase, from The Pall Mall Gazette (London):

Thursday 6th October 1921

one over the eight - Pall Mall Gazette - 6 October 1921


A barman was yesterday fined 20s. for selling an ounce of tobacco after eight o’clock. As the law stands now you may have one over the eight with impunity, but not a bit of baccy after the eight.

Wednesday 7th December 1921

one over the eight - Pall Mall Gazette - 7 December 1921


“I only had one over the eight,” said a man charged at the South-Western Court with drunkenness.
“And what was the ninth?” inquired the magistrate.
“A double scotch,” was the reply.